on the other hand, can, let's say the pentagon absorb a 10% cut? i suppose it could absorb a cut but the question is, we can not go into default while we're debating these things. you have to increase the debt ceiling and keep the debate going and look to continue to cut spending. jon: we'll have you back another time to talk more about this. you obviously put a lot of thought into it. former congressman dennis kucinich. >> thank you. jenna: speaking after the pentagon, we talked a let about the planned troop withdrawal in afghanistan. now there is word the united states may take out all the troops leaving no american soldiers there. what is behind the so-called zero option? we go in depth next. jon: a fox news alert now. new details emerging on that commuter ferry crash in new york city. rick is live at the breaking news desk for us. >> we're tracking this from down in the newsroom because the details are changing quickly, jon. as you say a commuter ferry bringing people from new jersey along the east river to lower manhattan. we're told that's wh